36: Building a Business – Camille Neilsen


Today’s guest is Camille Neilsen, owner of U Dance Studio in Lehi, Utah. Her story is so interesting as she went from growing up studying and dancing ballet, to becoming a dance fitness teacher using Zumba and hip hop for gyms and others dance and fitness businesses.

When she moved back to Utah from Washington state 2 years ago, she decided to go for it and start her own dance fitness studio, which has since evolved to other types of dance disciplines. Her story is so relatable, as she has learned to be confident and own her endeavor. That confidence can take some work to find at times, but it is within all of us!  

You can learn more about and even take classes from her or one of her teachers by visiting utahdanceandfitness.com

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Phil Salter 0:00
All right, welcome to no better time. I’m Phil Salter, and I’m here today with Camille Neilsen. And she is the proud owner of U Dance Studio. It’s a dance fitness kind of situation. I don’t know how to describe that. How would you describe it Camille?

Camille Neilsen 0:16
Um, it’s a dance studio where we kind of have equal parts of fitness and dance fitness for adults. And then kids classes more like a typical dance studio where they start in lower levels and work their way up with ballet and jazz and hip hop and tumbling and lots of different things. So we kind of cater to all ages.

Phil Salter 0:37
See, I did, I didn’t realize you were doing that as well, like actually teaching Oops, sorry, both in our proper dance kind of classes for the beginning for children. I look, that’s awesome. Do you evolved? That’s kind of what we’re going to talk about here is that process and where it is now maybe it looks very different from what you originally meant or thought to be, but which is fun. But one of things I want to ask you kind of kick things off is just kind of ask you a question about, like money. As a child. I always am curious, because people have different places now with money. And we all have our own journey. We could start strong and we can make mistakes, we can have major problems of money and it becoming like, you know, really successful. But for you as a child, what was your relationship with money? Did you get an allowance to just save money do you spend every penny you made?

Camille Neilsen 1:21
I’d say my everyone I think has a natural inclinations that they’re born with with money, because I have a twin sister. And we view money very differently, except we were raised in the same home with the same. But growing up, we had an allowance we worked in for chores and that extra money. As far as saving, I was always kind of helping pay for dance, because it was expensive. And I was in a family of eight kids to actually.But as far as having like my own checking account, or knowing how to really run my own family finances, I don’t think I really knew that until like,near the end of college. Like I don’t, I really knew how to be responsible by myself financially without support of just managing the money like I can always make the money. Yeah, managing it and controlling it. I don’t think I ever felt like I was really encouraged or taught that and I don’t think I had the like, like my sister. She always was super involved in finances, but I don’t think that urge to really go for it. And I don’t think I had the worries either. Like money doesn’t like worry me really was just nice. Because it’s like a thing, I think to not have to worry about it because some people worry for nothing. Yes, some people worry when they should. They should worry, but they don’t. I don’t know. Anyway.

Phil Salter 2:49
So it sounds like you’ve been you’ve been blessed to be able to, to have an abundant life. And also you haven’t stressed about unnecessarily, which is nice. That’s a blessing for sure. You don’t want to be on either side of those things, you know where you You’re stressing all the time because you really just are struggling you know, how do I feed my family blah, blah, blah, or, Hey, I’ll just go and no crazy to Who cares? You know you these are all different things. But that’s very interesting. And I agree I have it we all have our predispositions towards this kind of stuff. Like I have a brother who my younger brother, I brought him up before he’s always been really good with money saves disciplined, you know, and I was just opposite like about money. Like I need to spend it because like it will just disappear either. Anyways, right? Right. So interesting kind of things we learn and as we as we grow. Very cool. So kind of I’m kind of curious what got you originally interested in

dance fitness sounds like you grew up dancing as a dancer. And then where’d that kind of Tipperary said, Hey, obviously have to be fit to dance. But let’s actually make dance fitness thing for you.

Camille Neilsen 3:49
Well, like I always danced. And I also always taught dance in some capacity. Like, typically typical dance studio, I would teach ballet to kids. But then when I moved to Seattle with my husband, we had two little boys and that kind of changed everything. having kids and wanting to be a stay at home. I found that if I taught dance fitness, which I started out teaching Zumba. I was like, This is perfect because I just go to the club, Gold’s Gym, 24 hour fitness class or whatever. I drop off my kids at their little daycare place. And then I teach and they pay for the daycare and I get paid to teach and have fun. I get to work out and so it was kind of like it was already a job I would have loved no matter what but it was like perfect for my family life. Yeah, they combined your passions with your what you needed a job to look like for you. So I would teach like six to 10 classes a week and just take my kids all over and then I’d just be home with them. But they were little they were they were like six months old or seven months old and one and a half. They were only one year apart.

Phil Salter 4:56
Wow, that’s like boom, boom, right?

Camille Neilsen 4:58
Yeah, we were really busy.

Phil Salter 4:59
Yeah. And then so then like you’re teaching zoom, but and then with that kind of hold time you lived out in Seattle, that was something you were really involved with.

Camille Neilsen 5:08
Yes. So you’re there for six years, I think I took a break for a year when I had my daughter, bay, but for five years I taught, I always taught something in some way, shape, or form, whether it was just a little bit, or every single day, or I taught for, you know, a smaller studio or a bigger gym. But it was just like, I got paid to work out to like, I was like, I’m gonna work out anyway, I might as well do and I’m really social. I really like people. And so it was really fun to building a community out there probably as a way to make a lot of friends and build your tribe. Yep. And in Seattle. So there’s so many people in such a small area. I mean, different people, I made some really, really great friends through the community and one fellow instructor and I became really, really close. And so we started to teach together more like for fun. And then that’s kind of like what started me in the direction of like, Oh, hey, I can probably take on more than I have.Because she started teaching, like a kind of a small company where we’d rent out places, and I was like, Hey, I’m gonna work for you, with you for you. And she was like, see? Yes, you know. And so I would teach for her. But then we kind of were doing our own thing away from like, the big box gyms. And then I even started teaching a little bit just in my garage. Like, this is still Seattle, right? Yeah. Okay. And I think that’s when I was like, wow, I can like do more than I thought. And I like it. And I liked it. Was it kind of scary at first, to like, make that jump from hand working for someone else who has this whole thing structures on place, I just kind of drop in and do my thing. Now. It’s like you’re in control. Even just my first class in my garage in Seattle. I was like, put it out there to my friends. And they were like, yeah, so make it up for a little summer class. And I just was like, well, I just had, like, 20 people sign up. And it was really exciting and profound, like, I was okay, like, I’m legit, I’m legitimate. I could do this, like, I want to do this. And I would pay someone I’m like, I would pay me to do this. Like, I was like I would, I would trust my kids with someone like me, you know, because you just don’t know what you’re getting. And I’m like, I felt like I had that quality, where I’m like, Hey, your kids will be safe with me. And I’ll work really hard. And I’m here for them.

Phil Salter 7:28
It sounds like that confidence. I mean, that’s really key towards your success. And I think just success in general. And not that someone might start something not being confident, and that’s okay. But that moment, maybe when you start to really believe, oh, I’m good. And yeah, I would pay me to do this. Yeah, then like, you can really, you can really get behind it and sell it with like, conviction and passion versus like, I don’t know, I got this thing. And then you’re like, it’s not gonna sell it as well. I don’t think.

Camille Neilsen 7:52
I know, it’s crazy. The difference? It really is like, there’s so much opportunity out there. But you really have to be wanting to tap into it and believe you can.

Phil Salter 8:00
Yeah, for sure.

Camille Neilsen 8:01
But it’s not that easy.

Phil Salter 8:03
Yeah, yeah,

Camille Neilsen 8:03
it’s hard.

Phil Salter 8:05
Definitely. And then so then you end up moving back. I guess the next step would be you did that. It was out hard to leave behind. You kind of created this business out there.

Camille Neilsen 8:16
Oh, yeah. Like just having my own little thing, like very little thing was great. But then getting to work with my friend. Um, she just her little community was getting big. And I was a big part of it. And I loved I love being a big part of it, but I love not being in charge. But I was like, therefore, all the time worked really hard paid, well loved. It worked with my family life, because I had three kids at that point. So I was so sad to leave, I didn’t want to move. I didn’t want to bear down a job he wanted. And he, we kind of did it for him. And I didn’t want to and I was really resentful, like, very resentful, because I was like, You’re making me give this thing up that I kind of feel like I’ve been here this whole time. And, and also in the last year, it was like this amazing opportunity. And everything else in my life was just going really great. And I was like, I don’t want to leave. I didn’t want to start over. Like I was like not yet. You know? Yeah, I was about about that.

Phil Salter 9:10
Yeah, so it’s hard like to leave that and come back here. Not that you didn’t see maybe some positives, but leaving this thing you built your friends, your business, all these things. And it’s one of those things you need to be there force. I mean, I guess we’ve learned with COVID that there’s ways to do things a little more creatively, from a distance but still it’s kind of hard.

Camille Neilsen 9:32
Exactly two years ago, we moved

Phil Salter 9:34

Camille Neilsen 9:35
at the end of March. So just barely over two years ago. Um, but yeah, I was just, I was just like, I’m not ready to do anything on my own. Like, I’m so happy in this position, and I want this position to grow. But also I knew deep down I had seen myself do it on my own a little bit.

Phil Salter 9:52
Yeah, that little thing in your crotch, not on the same level as your friends

Camille Neilsen 9:55
but i was i was a huge eye opening experience. And like with my friend, I was like, you should Want me to work with you? Um, awesome. Like,

Phil Salter 10:01

Camille Neilsen 10:02
Not like that. But I was like,

Phil Salter 10:03

Camille Neilsen 10:04
I’m an asset, you know? And

Phil Salter 10:05
oh, yeah

Camille Neilsen 10:05
I just want to go be an asset. Like, I’m happy to be someone else’s asset you know what I mean.

Phil Salter 10:09

Camille Neilsen 10:10
moving. I was like, I was upset that I was gonna be in this position where I was able to decide, do I want to come here and work for someone and be like, their asset? Like someone? I don’t know, right? I don’t want to go to it. Or I don’t wanna go to some small studio and work my way up again. You know, at this point, I was like, I’m like, 36 years old. I don’t want to go and teach you some little kids and not get paid very well. Yeah. And not feel very valued.

Phil Salter 10:37
I totally understand what you’re saying it’s, you can tell you’re kind of torn. Because you didn’t want to just be another cog in someone else’s system. But you also were like, do I really, it’s not easy to build your own thing from nothing. But I want to you like you want to be a boss, but also like, that’s doesn’t come easily. Oh, so what am I gonna do? You come out to Utah.

Camille Neilsen 10:56
super competitive

Phil Salter 10:57
A lot of dance.

Camille Neilsen 10:58
There’s a lot of dance. Like there’s a lot of opportunity. But I was like, looking at every amazing studio, or every studio. That’s not even amazing, but they’re doing really great, right? And I’m just like, Oh, I don’t want to like, have to fight my way out there, you know, and fight for people to like, because I was always like, there’s like 50 other women just like me a stay home mom. I used to be blonde, and taught dance. Fitness. Like I was like, I am like, literally a carbon copy of so many women to the REM going on. Like, I don’t know how I’m going to stand out. You know?

Phil Salter 11:30
Was that like a you think that was based? I mean, obviously, there’s a reality. There’s a lot of dance a lot of competition. But do you feel like in reality there? What did you learn? I guess, like what got you to say, I’m going to try it anyways, I need to try this because you decide I’m going a different angle, or Hey, there’s enough to go around, even if there’s a lot like what got you to, I guess blew past those doubts? And probably fears in a way to.

Camille Neilsen 11:52
I mean, I think I definitely was like, Well, I think deep down, I knew I was gonna have to do it. Yeah. And I Oh, so we found our home in our home had a large RV garage, and my sister looked at me and she’s like, you need to start a dance studio. And that I already had those feelings in that was like the center. You know, I was like, Okay, and so at that point, I thought, well, I know I can do it. I believe in abundance. Even though I was afraid of the competition, like I totally believe in abundance. And, and honestly, that came more and more even more now I believe in that more now than ever before. After doing this for two years, I’m like, there’s always more people, there’s always somebody you know, like, you don’t need to fight over locations, or people or, you know, the product you have, you know, there’s just always going to be more but um, I think coming in knowing we had the studio, knowing I had the skills, and I had the time kind of like, I had spending I’d been spending all this time teaching in Seattle. So my goal, I do have the time and I have a studio at my own home, make my own hours, you know. And so as long as we were okay, investing money into turning the shed into a studio, like with all the stuff that goes on the inside, then I was like, I’m not paying rent, you know, I’m sorry, I just kind of like put those blinders on. And anytime I got nervous, I just was like keep going, go choreograph, go market, go, like nail up some lights, go put the floors and like, I mean, it helps to time, like when you just like shut up your fears. Like it helps a lot.

Phil Salter 13:22
Just move forward with confidence. And, and based on like, some real information. You weren’t just dude saying I have never danced before when I started a dance studio, you know, like you had experience you had skill. you’d seen what you’ve done in the garage. And this is like, this is better than a garage. I got a whole place here that I can make in the studio. And was it was a time in the beginning where it was kind of scary to say out loud. This is what I’m gonna do out of fear of people saying, That’s stupid. There’s so many studios, like why would you even think you could do that? Was there a fear of that feedback?

Camille Neilsen 13:53
And yeah, oh, yeah. I mean, I was like, I’m gonna fail or like, what if I fail, you know, and I just telling people? Oh, yeah, like, I’m starting a studio, you’re like, Do I go loud and proud. It’s like I learned in Seattle to not be afraid. Like, you know, be like, Don’t apologize for yourself, you know, don’t be afraid. And it’s true. I’m like, so many people sell stupid stuff that they’re like, Oh, I don’t want to hear another person selling skincare, you know, but I’m looking here. It’s like, yeah, I can tell people I teach dance. And if they want to come, they’ll come. And if they think I’m annoying, they’ll think I’m annoying for like, a minute, and then they won’t care anymore. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, like, they’re not going to sit around all day long, worrying about me, but I’m like, if I don’t put myself out there, I’m gonna lose hundreds of potential interests. Right? Yeah, it’s so true. Yeah, I kind of got over it. Like your podcasts are like, if I tell people about this, that’s gonna do way more for me than if I may be worried about bothering one person.

Phil Salter 14:43
Yeah. And that’s the thing I’m kind of learning is people are much more open than we ever realized. And people aren’t sitting around being like, I mean, I get those moments where like, you see someone who’s like, part of an MLM and they’re talking about it, and it’s not so much that I’m annoyed. They’re doing it. I put myself in their shoes and think, man, I’d be so scared or nervous or embarrassed to do that myself. But honestly, it was, I don’t think badly of this person for going for it, right?

Camille Neilsen 15:06
So here’s the one person that’s like, I want to buy that, right?

Phil Salter 15:09
And the people that obviously it’s working like there’s no people are interested in and if someone is upset that you’re doing something, then it’s like, well, that’s really their problem. And I’ll just move on, you know. So for sure, that’s really great attitude.

Camille Neilsen 15:21
When I kind of it’s like people say, sell things you care about, but I’m definitely like, I feel like I’m selling like a service. And I think, well, it is a service. And I think it’s a valuable one. And so kind of just feeling like, well, what am I selling? And how do I feel about it? And so like, also, like, I’ll invite people have a class and then you it’s like anything, you get nervous, like we’ll come in, do you want to do a podcast, but I’m like, I got to the point where I’m like, I’m not gonna apologize for asking if they say no, but great. You know, if you ever want to come, the door’s always open. Yeah. I never say Oh, if you want to like, I’m just like, Hey, I had this thing. It’s super fun. You should try it. And whatever they say, My great, you should try it. Like, if you ever want to try it. We’re always here. You know

Phil Salter 15:58
that’s great.

Camille Neilsen 15:59
I just feel like that way. I just have always walking around confident and excited about what I do. And people can totally see that right? It’s

Phil Salter 16:07
Hmm. And you have this feeling like I know that if they try it, they’ll see these benefits. And if they don’t see the benefits, that’s okay, too. But like, more likely, they’ll see like, oh, wow, what would you say that benefits are using dance for fitness? What are they would you say?

Camille Neilsen 16:25
So I think, you know, first of all, like one of the big things of you know, this, this millennium, or whatever is screens, there’s no screens in there. It’s like Hello, for adults and kids, it’s like, come be a part of a group of people where you’re not staring at a screen. And then exercise is so good for you like more and more and more coming out. I think group exercise has a huge pool because people need that social time. Not only that, that social community feeling just in that one hour class, but it also pushes the group harder. Like everyone in that workout room looks a little bit harder than they would alone. And also, as far as dance goes, dance is a really like emotional activity with the music and the movement. And so with all the music that’s like, really energetic, it is going to like lift you up, like pumps you up and like kind of moves you forward. I think sharing that feeling. I think there’s a reason why people love it. I mean, people have been doing dancing forever. I mean jazzercise in the 80s. That basically now I do like hip hop fitness. That’s more what I do now. But Zumba was huge for at least a decade. And it’s still popular. Hip Hop, dance, fitness, all sorts of things, dance hall, there’s just so many different ways of dance. And I think having people together in a room and you know, working together, and also learning like dance is different than running like your brain is like, constantly moving. And I think that’s so good for your mental development. And like, connecting wires, like I know, as you get older, they really suggest things like dance fitness for the elderly, even. because it keeps your brain working more, instead of doing just like a walk around the block.

Phil Salter 18:11

Camille Neilsen 18:12
A lot of research on that, too.

Phil Salter 18:13
That’s why I keep seeing old people doing hip hop dance on the streets. And I’m just kidding. No, that’s, that’s really cool.

Camille Neilsen 18:19
We got some old people there. Yeah.

Phil Salter 18:20
Nice. That’s awesome. Well

Camille Neilsen 18:22
I don’t plan on stopping anytime soon.

Phil Salter 18:24
Oh, good for you. I don’t, I don’t see why you would it’s it’s really growing. In fact, just as like, maybe a final thing to kind of go over. I’m curious, we mentioned earlier, like, you started kind of, I remember, this is been kind of fun watching you on Facebook, posting things and seeing the studio space evolve and improve, you know, and being kind of very simple. And now it’s got, like, I believe even like air conditioning, and like, lighting and all these cool things a lot, a lot. And so like was that each time you had to get to a certain point, I guess you say? How did you decide when to invest more into it? You know, what was that calculation? Like, hey, if I do this, is there a reason like, because I know I can get more people coming? Because I’m comfortable or what was kind of behind those upgrades?

Camille Neilsen 19:10
Right. I mean, and I’m definitely a lot more different now financially than I was before, like a lot more calculated. So really can learn and change as you grew up with your finances. So that’s been like a learning experience for me. But definitely I invested a lot early on into the studio from savings. Almost all the money I had made in the last year in Seattle, I put all into the studio on my own. And then we did like the bare minimum at first, like we just needed floors and mirrors and music and people still came to like a blazing hot shed in the summer and Utah, you know, and then in the fall started really cold because the shed didn’t have insulation. And so by the time he started being called a mechanic and installation, I need a heater. But that was a big chunk of money and then I didn’t do much and then I started getting more income and then the next spring I added like more like In the decoration like shiplap on the walls, like a closet, some wallpaper I worked on, making the ceiling look more like a nice ceiling like, but with everything, I just would look through all the options and get ideas from ever I could look that I wanted to place like people like, Well, you didn’t really have to decorate. And I’m like, Well, I wanted this to look nice for me, like I’m gonna walk in and be like, this is classy. And so yeah, I hopefully I’m not going to be having to put a lot more into the studio, I think it’s after two years, just kind of where I want to be for a long time. Yeah. But I just put like a logo up on the inside of the garage door. And that was really cool. So now with all of like our posting and stuff, we have the logo like in the background. And so it’s like, just really exciting to see the look of the studio match kind of like what we feel like it is as a home, like a dance studio home as well as kind of having the logo of your dance studio like putting that out there for everyone to see. Yeah, just slowly making those decisions, but always maintaining, like, I didn’t want to get into any kind of debt.

Phil Salter 21:05
Yeah, I see more time.

Camille Neilsen 21:07
You know, you don’t have to do it all at once.

Phil Salter 21:09
Yeah, and I’m not I mean, for me, I’m a very like get gung ho kind of person. So it’d be hard for me to say, not do it all because you want it you have I’m sure you had this vision of what it could be like aesthetically and functionally. And say, let me prove this first. Let me you know, I have this idea, this concept, I’m going to take a certain amount of risk in getting the bare minimum. Okay, things are running. Did you find that as you’ve added, and made it more comfortable space and meet those needs? Has it helped it grow? I mean, it sounds like people are still interested even with it being hot. And it’s

Camille Neilsen 21:42
yeah. Oh, yeah. I think definitely. People walk in now they’re like, Whoa, like, that’s their their reaction now. And they come in as holy cow. You look on the outside, and you don’t think it looks like this? Yeah, it actually experienced I think for sure. Well, when I go places, anywhere, like my kids preschool or another dance studio or restaurant, like I care about ambience. And so I know some people don’t, but I do. And so my goal is to have have it look really nice, right? Absolutely. Like have to maintain the level of quality instruction. Yeah. So I definitely was someone who’s like, I’m happy to have both I want both and having it be a home dance studio. Like, I kind of feel like I want to look as professional as I can, since it’s like, connected to my house. Yeah, that’s true. I feel like that is going to be a level for people to be like, oh, but it’s like at someone’s house, you know. And so the best I can do to keep it more professional feeling. I think that’s going to serve me better since it is, you know, in a residential neighborhood.

Phil Salter 22:42
But you also have other instructors, right, that you started just you?

Camille Neilsen 22:46

Phil Salter 22:47
and then you kind of and as far as deciding, hey, let me add these new kinds of classes, maybe kid children, this intro to ballet or jazz, or other types of fitness? Or just pure dance classes, I guess? Like that was kind of a calculation as well to see. Did you kind of get your feelings out there? Like, hey, if I were to add this kind of class would people join? That’s kind of,

Camille Neilsen 23:09
yeah, yeah, I feel like so many things have evolved. And that’s the thing with any business owner, like you got to like, really keep your mind open. I always joke, I’m like, I’m not trying to make like, fetch a thing. Like, I’m not trying to, like, make something be what it is. Like, I don’t care. Like I don’t care. I’m not gonna force it if it’s not gonna happen. And so when I started teaching kid classes, they were kind of like kid fitness. But I just found a lot of people here want technique. They want their kids to be tumblers. They want their kids to be ballerinas and functional dancers. And so I can do that. And but in Seattle, it was different in Seattle, people were like, I just want my kids to move. Yeah, I just want them to get out there move and have fun and dance. And but it doesn’t have to be all this choreography and all this technique. So anyway, so I just started to implement more of like a typical dance to the levels that I grew up with. And that, that brought more people in, that’s like, that’s me that was here that I didn’t know how strong that was,

Phil Salter 24:04
kind of remove that preconceived notion of what it was going to be and be like, Oh, this, this is a need. And I can feel the state and I have the ability, and you start to vet people to be part of your system to teach those things in the way you feel. It needs to be taught on a certain level and quality. That’s really exciting.

Camille Neilsen 24:20
being open to feedback, like asking my son because one of my sisters she was like, I think people want like more technical stuff for their kiddos. And is that like, easy to hear? I mean, it wasn’t hard to hear, but it you definitely need to be okay, like I can hear that. And I can make the changes that is different than what I was thinking. And so it’s been like, like, I teach adult classes now like adult dance classes, like adult ballet, adult jazz, that there’s not a big market for and it is huge in my studio, like way bigger than I thought it would be. And I think it’s because since we have all these fitness classes, people have gotten to know each other really well. So then people started saying, Hey, can we do like a real jazz class like, like as a kid and I’ve beenreally surprised, like, I got like, 14 people and they’re committed, we buy costumes, we do dances, I want your wife to join us. And so

Phil Salter 25:08
she should I think it’s funny that we have our babies over a year, she’s starting to, like, be like, I can do things. Again, not that she could No, it’s just exhausting. And I extend, but I’m trying to encourage her, you know, to do more of these kind of things. It’s really good for the heart and soul, particularly of a dancer, which I’m not, but I can, I can understand on the level, I guess, of how that fulfills a need. Yeah, physically and emotionally.

Camille Neilsen 25:34
That’s definitely a market I did not know would be this strong. And I feel like it’s, I’m just at the beginning of how strong that could be. So that’s, I don’t know where that’s gonna go. I don’t know, if I’m gonna have a bunch of adult classes. And, like, as far as we just had our performance weekend, we perform just like all the kids. And that’s awesome. And people were super into it. And we were into it. And I was like, you’re the hardest class as like, these adult classes are the hardest working classes I have, like these women, these mamas are like, I’m not backing down. Like, I

Phil Salter 25:59
feel like living their dream or going back to an old some, I’m sure there’s some that have done it before. And some that want to experience it that was maybe afraid to try when they were kids or adults. It’s never too late, then.

Camille Neilsen 26:10
That’s right,

Phil Salter 26:11
the name of my podcast is “No Better Time” and there’s no better time. So I’m so excited for you to see where this goes. And as it evolves in your attitude towards it will it will evolve into what it can be, and will be. And I do agree. Like Listen, that feedback can be hard because I’ve received feedback recently about my photography business. And I had to like, take a moment to be like, what do you think you are telling me this happened to us for four years? And I’m like, wait a minute, that’s actually makes sense. It made it and once I listened, we’ve changed that like really to like change my life. Seriously. So thanks so much for your time. Cool. It’s been really awesome to hear your story. And if anybody has any questions about Camille’s for Camille, that I can forward onto he can email me at nobettertime.podcast@gmail.com I’ll give them to her.If you have questions in general about any episode or I suggestions for episode topics, I’d love to hear that too. Please go to Apple podcasts you can rate and review my podcast there, subscribe wherever you listen. So thanks for listening. And just today, just remember there is really no better time than now to start something that you’re intimidated by whether it’s learning more about finances, whether it’s about dancing at U Dance Studio, or somewhere nearby this equivalent, whatever it is fulfill those dreams and live them. Alright, thanks Camille.

Camille Neilsen 27:33
Thank you

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